Nu old skool tunes

[Monty]

ceejay73

What have you done hehe!

Dam it is Hot i'am getting drunk on de Stella's

[Shooms]

There is shit new dance music just as there is amazing new dance music... just as there is shit old dance music & amazing old dance music - it's all subjective.

However proportion-wise I'd say the years 1988 (& before) to about 1994 are so special - because everyone is still chasing tunes from this era - & they still command a price. That is why they are called 'classics'.

Jamie Principle - Waiting On My Angel

Jamie Principle - Your Love

The two tunes above were created in 1984 & were played on reel to reel tape & adored before even being finally pressed on vinyl in 1985 & 1986. They were both so ahead of the game for the time & even today are revered, respected & loved... you only have to listen to the crowd reaction whenever they are dropped to see this.

But then they weren't created in the be-all & end-all universe that is Manchester so they don't count

Likewise you can NEVER create the buzz from back in the day... it was new, fresh, exciting, naughty & NOTHING like it had gone before.

Easty, no offense son, but you are wrong - you weren't there back in the day & you I doubt you remember growing up in Thatchers Britain... with the exception of Blues parties everything closed at 2, you had to wear a suit to get into a club & the music was shite.... Acid House & Raving changed everything.

I'm sorry if this comes as a shock but there is a huge great big world outside of the M60 circular.

[seandelier]

Originally Posted by easty

lol fair enough I might not have been in the clubs but members of my family and friends were and I was old enough to read the paper

The thunderdome got shutdown cause a bouncer was stabbed, there were also bouncers shot at, i know this as I live 2 minutes away from the place.
The hacienda officialy shut cause it went into receivership and yes i did get to go in the hacienda but it had closed many times before this because of the trouble, bouncers were knifed etc so they had to put up metal detectors. These didnt help as the trouble continued
Konspiracy was shut because of the trouble

Now as for the tunes its a matter of opinion, most people on here will tell u the tunes from 1988 were the best as they were the ones they grew up with but musically theres no comparison between tunes made today and way back then, technically speaking they are far superior and sound a lot better today. Are they better tunes made today, well thats a matter of opinion, I like all the mid nineties stuff but if u think about it rationally, people making tunes today have a lot more experience of doing it, theres a far superior choice of music and they also sound a lot better technically. But like I say if u had a great time in 88 listening to these tunes your gonna be biased towards them and in your head no matter how good a tune is from a different period you'll probably say its not as good as it used to be

As for your original point, theres shitloads of tunes made today in an old skool style, if u have not heard them which u obviousy have'nt then how can u possibly say that music is shite today.

1. exactly you were not there so you cannot possibly know what it was like at the start of this scene so you cannot comment. you can say it is better now than when you started but not back then. you read the paper so you know that the clubs were not as good then as now???

2. when did you start clubbing?

3. actually mate my favourite music is from 91/92 then from 95/96 but the scene for me was better 89/90

4. the troubles in manchester, and lets face when was the hac closed, are an exception to the rest of the uk and there was less of this trouble at the start of the scene than later on. clubbing where i did there was almost zero trouble until about 95 when there was more coke and drinkers in the scene

5. i said "most" new music is shite. there is a greater proportion of shite to good stuff nowadays because there are so much more producers. i still buy loads of music but i have to troll through loads of shite to get it, and i also go clubbing to clubs where they play modern music and still love it, you just have to choose your clubs more carefully as there a lot of shite clubs playing shite music

6. my original point was that you cannot ever create 89 again, this is a fact you were not there so you cant possibly know

try reading what i am saying first and not trying to judge the whole start of the scene on what your cousins told you, mnachesters clubs closing down many years after 89, and what the papers say

[blue jammer]

Don't argue with easty, just nod and everythings all ok

J/k

seandelier, I know where you are coming from with the amount of music being produced today, it's much easier for people to make music with just a PC than years ago when they had to have a few bits of kit, drum machine, couple of synths, a sequencer (or a computer with one) and a mixing desk at least, plus effects, so there weren't as many people making music as they all couldn't afford the kit they needed. Nowadays its all software based, so if you have a fairly decent spec'd PC it doesn't cost you anything else as most will d/l the software for nothing.

There is less quality control, the amount of shite out there is shocking and you do have to sift through it.

Here's the tester though...

We remember thousands of great tunes made in our 'best era' (whatever you want to class it as, usually 88-92 - although I'd go back as far as 83..) How many great tunes will todays teens remember in 20 years time from their 'best era' ? Compared to our thousands of great tunes, I bet theres are only less than a hundred, if that.

There might be more tunes being made now, but 80% of them are shit, whereas back in our golden era with less producers it was a reversal, only 20% of stuff that came out was shit, 80% was amazing.

The problem that I have with new music is producers being too lazy to change the presets of the programs they use, so you are just hearing the same beats and the same sounds churned out so much all the time.

As for this minimal bollocks, well that's another thread but 99% of that is boring and lacks everything a track should have.



Tell you what though, when you do find good new music, you grab hold of it with both hands, Lindstrom & Prins Thomas, Booka Shade and the likes are right up there imo, also at more realistic tempo's instead of all the faster rubbish that was around in the mid 90's, they have taken it back to slower bpm's which works so much better, the sounds have more of a groove and sit and work nicer together.

[DavidM4]

Originally Posted by JACKG

For me, one of todays problems with dance music is that its too genre based. Id like to hear a bit more diversity in a set more often.

Eg just been listenin to some upto date electro and although I quite like it it gets a bit much after a while and a bit samey

I heared an old Hacienda mix the other day and how refreshing it was to hear a little bit of everything... house, garage, techno etc

bang on i remember at blackburn parties - yazoo(82), gloria gaynor(78), carly simon(82) and the roses to name a few gettin dropped and goin down a storm, so there is only good music and shite music.

[Shooms]

Originally Posted by DavidM4

so there is only good music and shite music.

What I've said all along

[pauly p]

Originally Posted by JACKG

For me, one of todays problems with dance music is that its too genre based. Id like to hear a bit more diversity in a set more often.

Eg just been listenin to some upto date electro and although I quite like it it gets a bit much after a while and a bit samey

I heared an old Hacienda mix the other day and how refreshing it was to hear a little bit of everything... house, garage, techno etc

Diversity still does happen

[Shooms]

Originally Posted by pauly p

Diversity still does happen

Salt n Pepa into the BBC cricket theme for one

[pauly p]

Originally Posted by Shooms

Salt n Pepa into the BBC cricket theme for one

Gonna have to travel a long way to beat your Ibiza set

[Shooms]

Originally Posted by pauly p

Gonna have to travel a long way to beat your Ibiza set

lol aye - Ritzy's on a Saturday night

[DavidM4]

Originally Posted by Shooms

There is only good music or shit music imo Genres are incidental

Respect to Shooms, the guy talks sense

[sweet sensation]

Originally Posted by Shooms

There is shit new dance music just as there is amazing new dance music... just as there is shit old dance music & amazing old dance music - it's all subjective.

However proportion-wise I'd say the years 1988 (& before) to about 1994 are so special - because everyone is still chasing tunes from this era - & they still command a price. That is why they are called 'classics'.

Jamie Principle - Waiting On My Angel

Jamie Principle - Your Love

The two tunes above were created in 1984 & were played on reel to reel tape & adored before even being finally pressed on vinyl in 1985 & 1986. They were both so ahead of the game for the time & even today are revered, respected & loved... you only have to listen to the crowd reaction whenever they are dropped to see this.

But then they weren't created in the be-all & end-all universe that is Manchester so they don't count

Likewise you can NEVER create the buzz from back in the day... it was new, fresh, exciting, naughty & NOTHING like it had gone before.

Easty, no offense son, but you are wrong - you weren't there back in the day & you I doubt you remember growing up in Thatchers Britain... with the exception of Blues parties everything closed at 2, you had to wear a suit to get into a club & the music was shite.... Acid House & Raving changed everything

I'm sorry if this comes as a shock but there is a huge great big world outside of the M60 circular

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Absolutely brilliant post shooms especially loved these bits

But then they weren't created in the be-all & end-all universe that is Manchester so they don't count

I'm sorry if this comes as a shock but there is a huge great big world outside of the M60 circular

I have lived in Manchester now for nearly 4 years and I still dont get this 'Manchester is great' thing

[Damage Inc.]

back on topic peeps,yes there is!

www.myspace.com/sonicfortress

thats ya 1st step,seems some people havnt been listening to djs like Cutter