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I know most of you are plastic & don't travel but if anyone has friends / rellies over there I hope they are OK... 3 stabbed as I'm reading it on another forum...

Dirty Itie knife-wielding cowards... & the Italian OB being totally OTT again

Think this could well be viewed by certain elements as a National thing for the return leg... loads of noises being made about support & payback...
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I know most of you are plastic & don't travel but if anyone has friends / rellies over there I hope they are OK... 3 stabbed as I'm reading it on another forum...

Dirty Itie knife-wielding cowards... & the Italian OB being totally OTT again

Think this could well be viewed by certain elements as a National thing for the return leg... loads of noises being made about support & payback...
I should hope so too. The police were bad enough Lets hope the boys are out waiting for them next tuesday
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a load of scots were in rome and bari last week and there wasnt an ounce of trouble

why is it always the police and opposing fans fault

do you not get the picture yet?
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a load of scots were in rome and bari last week and there wasnt an ounce of trouble

why is it always the police and opposing fans fault

do you not get the picture yet?
It's a good point!!

However, there is a "reputation" (deserved in the past) that follows the English and others play on it. The Italian fans started throwing things and rushing towards the perspex fence and that was all it took to start the english off. After that the Italian Police just did their usual disgraceful job of putting people in hospital.

English fans need to learn how not to be wound up so easily, otherwise no matter how much better they have become, they will always get drawn into trouble even when they don't start it.

Seen it a million times! Shame in all respects.
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a load of scots were in rome and bari last week and there wasnt an ounce of trouble

why is it always the police and opposing fans fault

do you not get the picture yet?
That's right... footage of the Italian OB battering unarmed prostrate fans on the floor was wholly deserved mate...

As were the 3 lads that got stabbed...

English lads have a reputation that was built decades ago but still is deemed to be current by everyone else...

The Scots will never ever know what shite the English fans have had for decades & continue to do so (unmerited) because of course you are the Jolly Tartan Army... ginger wigs, kilts & smiles where ever you go..
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Nothing short of disgusting IMO...the rome fans provoke the man u fans, then the manc fans getting a beating
this shit shouldnt be happening in football ffs, its just a game... this poor man probably thought the same
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That's right... footage of the Italian OB battering unarmed prostrate fans on the floor was wholly deserved mate...

As were the 3 lads that got stabbed...

English lads have a reputation that was built decades ago but still is deemed to be current by everyone else...

The Scots will never ever know what shite the English fans have had for decades & continue to do so (unmerited) because of course you are the Jolly Tartan Army... ginger wigs, kilts & smiles where ever you go..
you obviously do not get the picture

the italian fans taunt, the english react, the italian police will not beat up the italians so they beat up the english fans

no-one is saying the italian police are not over the top, but why did they have to get involved?

english fans have been and still can be the most arrogant and violent fans in the world, the reputation is deserved and continues to be deserved

every major championship or european game there is shit like this happening

the only real problems we get here now are the rangers gamnes abroad and funnily enough there is a real majority of english and irish fans who go to these games and celebrate the britishness of that club

if i took the attitudes that i see in the big mosque post then how am i supposed to judge the english nation if this is the sort of behaviour i see on the tv and hear from fans

luckily i am not small minded enough to look at things in this way
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and please note i am never at any point saying "all" in the above post as regards english fans

the majority of the trouble is caused by a small minority but as it kicks off the drink fuels others who should know better to join in
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I know most of you are plastic & don't travel but if anyone has friends / rellies over there I hope they are OK... 3 stabbed as I'm reading it on another forum...

Dirty Itie knife-wielding cowards... & the Italian OB being totally OTT again

Think this could well be viewed by certain elements as a National thing for the return leg... loads of noises being made about support & payback...
Personally I couldn't have asked for a better nights entertainment lol!!
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you obviously do not get the picture

the italian fans taunt, the english react, the italian police will not beat up the italians so they beat up the english fans

no-one is saying the italian police are not over the top, but why did they have to get involved?

english fans have been and still can be the most arrogant and violent fans in the world, the reputation is deserved and continues to be deserved

every major championship or european game there is shit like this happening

the only real problems we get here now are the rangers gamnes abroad and funnily enough there is a real majority of english and irish fans who go to these games and celebrate the britishness of that club

if i took the attitudes that i see in the big mosque post then how am i supposed to judge the english nation if this is the sort of behaviour i see on the tv and hear from fans

luckily i am not small minded enough to look at things in this way

I do get the picture fella... even David Blunkett would be able to see the picture..

What irked me was your post insinuating that the bloodshed & injuries last night was down to the English fans because they reacted to a situation / provocation.

That's alright then - they must of deserved it eh
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I do get the picture fella... even David Blunkett would be able to see the picture..

What irked me was your post insinuating that the bloodshed & injuries last night was down to the English fans because they reacted to a situation / provocation.

That's alright then - they must of deserved it eh
na mate, i would never say that

we just keep mis-interpereting each other

i support sunderland and have travelled to games with my mates who were english and i obviously worked with loads in the forces

it's not the outcome i am on about but the causes
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na mate, i would never say that

we just keep mis-interpereting each other

i support sunderland and have travelled to games with my mates who were english and i obviously worked with loads in the forces

it's not the outcome i am on about but the causes
A Scottish Mackem !! No wonder I keep mis-interpreting you

The cause I agree - they reacted to provocation... but be honest - it was never going to not happen was it ?

The root cause & one that Scots don't suffer from is the provocation itself... English fans have a rep - Scots don't.

Rightly or wrongly turning over or getting a result from English lads abroad is still perceived as a major victory by foreign firms.

The English are often left in a situation where they get pushed to the point of no return... & the foreign firms know this too well... & that as soon as it DOES kick off foreign plod will batter the fuck out of the English... it's a win win for them.

What to do about it ?

More painted faces, jesters hats & foam hands I guess...
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na mate, i would never say that

we just keep mis-interpereting each other

i support sunderland and have travelled to games with my mates who were english and i obviously worked with loads in the forces

it's not the outcome i am on about but the causes
Sorry, but the news is saying that the Roma fans were provoking the Manc fan causing the Manc fans to react, in which the outcome-English fans getting blamed...(again) plus many innocent fans getting hurt. What you saying that the Manc fans should sit there and get wound up, let them throw bottles at them etc, and then shake their hands afer the match. I think not. Im not saying the Manc fans were angels, but did they deserve that??? because they were retaliating? Again I think not.
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Think this could well be viewed by certain elements as a National thing for the return leg... loads of noises being made about support & payback...
We have this everytime something happens to the rags - lets face it NOTHING will happen at OT - I will see the Roma fans swanning round the city centre at dinner taking pictures of the town hall and having a pint outside the slug & lettuce - absoulutely NOTHING will happen, its purely a European event.
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The root cause & one that Scots don't suffer from is the provocation itself... English fans have a rep - Scots don't.

Rightly or wrongly turning over or getting a result from English lads abroad is still perceived as a major victory by foreign firms.

The English are often left in a situation where they get pushed to the point of no return... & the foreign firms know this too well... & that as soon as it DOES kick off foreign plod will batter the fuck out of the English... it's a win win for them.

We scots did have a rep for years and we managed to turn it around, look at the wembley games in the 70's, the old firm cup final of 81 and rangers getting banned for rampaging in barcelona in the 60's or 70's

you can turn it around but there is still a small element of the england support who will not allow this

the scots fans police themsleves nowaday by standing up to the idiots who used to cause trouble

it is not always reacting to provocation that sparks it off either

i beleive the turks and the italians should have been thrown out of europe a while ago for the behaviour of their followers, and i believe if it had been english fans they would have been, uefa certainly allow others to get away with it

the riots in euro 2000 were not reactions, as neither was the riot in that holiday resort during another championship

nothing is ever black and white (except the scum newcastle utd) and i felt that you were absolving the english fans of all blame in recent troubles
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