Big f@@k off mosque!!!

[Jonno]

Originally Posted by seandelier

show me anything anywhere that it says the taxpayer is paying for this

people are getting the wrong end of the stick here

This discussion has currently cropped up at work, so I've tried to have a look on the net to say this is being funded by tax payers money, and I have to say I've drawn a big fat blank on this front.

The only details I can find on funding for this mosque from a reputable news source is the Telegraph article below. This says that the funding will come from Tablighi Jamaat, "a missionary organisation" - "Much of the funding...is expected to come from Saudi Arabia".

The shadow cast by a mega-mosque | St Opinion | Opinion | Telegraph

[ilovepiano]

Where's Sirius? lol

[Amelie]

Originally Posted by betty spaghetti

i think its a fecking joke...there is gonna be more mosques over here than churches, i mean they dont even look nice they look horrible, looks like a great big satsumas sat in the sky...get rid of the lot of em i say...

So if they looked 'nice', and by that i mean fit in with your idea of beauty (built it to look like a trad church) then you would be okay with it? So its not the actual worship that goes on, simply a matter of architecture for you?

Originally Posted by betty spaghetti

what ever happened to 'go brittannia' 'in god we trust' n stuff......

Explain why we have to have a link to God, and in your case the C of E sense to be British? Its 2007, i don't know many people of our generation wh actually follow any Christian faith. Its out dated and daft. Its already been established by a few people in this thread that its all by default as good as anyhew, why are you not complaining about all the churches and insisting we have more Pagan centres if history is your bag?

Originally Posted by betty spaghetti

now im not racist, but when i went to cyprus, we went on a little trip and we went to a monastry, which required all women to cover up-fair enuff...its your country, your religion.im not gonna come over an build a church...now why cant foreign ppl do the same for us???? a bit of respect for our heritage/history is due here i think.

You’re linking the whole country here with the monastery (besides, are they not Christian anyway lol). You didn't spend your whole time in Cyprus covered up did you? Do you really think the mahoosive British population that emigrate to live in Spain; Australia etc adopt their religious beliefs or way of life? I doubt it- look at all the shit British themed pubs and stuff for a start. I respect the heritage of any country i visit, or indeed live in- but you can't make me follow a God i don't believe in in another country any more then you can here.

[amymars]

Originally Posted by seandelier

show me anything anywhere that it says the taxpayer is paying for this

people are getting the wrong end of the stick here

spending 25billion on a new nuclear weapons system is a bigger waste of money IMO

To be fair I was assuming yes.

But, the government always provides funds to religious organisations - always has done and always will. Government funding helped build the hindu temples in London for instance....and it will probably contribute to this mosque.

[Jonno]

Originally Posted by amymars

To be fair I was assuming yes.

But, the government always provides funds to religious organisations - always has done and always will. Government funding helped build the hindu temples in London for instance....and it will probably contribute to this mosque.

Evidence of such would be useful.

As currently the only evidence out there is to the contrary.

[Jonno]

Originally Posted by amymars

To be fair I was assuming yes.

But, the government always provides funds to religious organisations - always has done and always will. Government funding helped build the hindu temples in London for instance....and it will probably contribute to this mosque.

I've just had a look for evidence that the government funding helped build Hindu temples in London and there doesn't seem to be any. Evidence for that would be useful as well therefore.

[amymars]

Originally Posted by Jonno

Evidence of such would be useful.

As currently the only evidence out there is to the contrary.

Stuff like this is all I can go off......

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/...01-09c.27080.h


And...whilst this is far from gospel truth, a tutor on our ethnic minorities course told us that the government likes to award money to religious organisations in Britain for building, because there is a fear that if they don't, money will come from the native overseas countries, and they see that its a better idea politically to support these places with home money.

[Jonno]

I've just realised that you may be getting mixed up with schools and temples here Amy.

The government will provide funding for schools (even faith based one's) but I'd be suprised if they would do the same for temples etc.

[Jiglo]

From the Telegraph..........

'When Abu Izzadeen, the firebrand Islamist militant, berated John Reid last week for "daring" to visit a Muslim area, the Home Secretary bridled, as did many others, at his suggestion that part of London was off limits for a British minister of the Crown.

There was nowhere in this country from which anyone should be excluded, Mr Reid said; nowhere that could be called exclusively Muslim. He was speaking just a couple of Tube stops from West Ham, close to the site for the 2012 Olympic stadium, where a huge row is about to erupt over plans to construct a mosque. However, this is not any old mosque built to serve the local community. It will be the largest place of worship in Europe, a gigantic three-storey Islamic centre, with schools and other facilities, able to hold at least 40,000 worshippers and up to 70,000 if necessary'

Cheeky cnut

This country has bent over backwards to welcome immigrants here only to have some muslims and their self appointed community leaders working towards their own revolution for creating Muslim only areas with their own sharia law!

I think we should round up the muslim rebels and kick them out of the country - but suppose we're fucked if they were born here but i'm sure we could find somewhere where they wouldn't cause as much trouble and to restore the balance of harmony among rational thinking people

[amymars]

Originally Posted by Jonno

I've just realised that you may be getting mixed up with schools and temples here Amy.

The government will provide funding for schools (even faith based one's) but I'd be suprised if they would do the same for temples etc.

I don't think im mixed up, but anyway......many of the mosques, temples, churches etc. in this country do carry out educational classes at night, like learning the Koran after school etc. so that may be the basis for some funding.

[Jonno]

Originally Posted by amymars

Stuff like this is all I can go off......

Faith Communities (Grants): 9 Jan 2006: Written answers (TheyWorkForYou.com)

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But this isn't for places of worship - temples, mosques, synagogues, churchs, whatever.

We could debate the pro's and con's of faith community grants but that is what we are talking about here.

We are talking about government funding for places of worship. And currently it would appear the government does not give grants to build places of worship. And more importantly it isn't giving any money to build this place of worship.

[amymars]

Originally Posted by Jonno

But this isn't for places of worship - temples, mosques, synagogues, churchs, whatever.

We could debate the pro's and con's of faith community grants but that is what we are talking about here.

We are talking about government funding for places of worship. And currently it would appear the government does not give grants to build places of worship.

Well I assume that as it says 'for a range of capacity building projects' that it must include places of worship? To build community they must have places to meet and to pray etc?

[betty spaghetti]

Amelie, im not one for debates/arguments...its just my opinion... we are a christian country even tho not many follow the faith...i dont want you to follow god if you dont want to...i just think they are horrible looking and there are too many mosques (spesh the massive ones that stick out like a sore thumb) our heritage is important to the ppl that fought hard for it back int day... again just my opinion

i am a member of BNP, nothing to be ashamed about, i am no fascist. i beleive in a better britain for the british...stuff like: say no to anti social behaviour, more police in the street, no to asylum seekers. no to council tax rises, no to the veil, (for social reasons) Yes to a better NHS and education system. Yes to celebrating british culture. Yes to putting british ppl first. (if anyone wants any info on backing the BNP, feel free to pm me )

call it racist, i call it patriotism...

[Jonno]

Originally Posted by Jiglo

From the Telegraph..........
This country has bent over backwards to welcome immigrants here only to have some muslims and their self appointed community leaders working towards their own revolution for creating Muslim only areas with their own sharia law!

In fairness though these are separate issues.

The issue here is simply this big mosque. Now if we say that it is solely their own money to build this mosque (no matter how big it is) what reasonable grounds is there to deny planning permission? Realistically from a legal point of view.

[Jonno]

Originally Posted by amymars

Well I assume that as it says 'for a range of capacity building projects' that it must include places of worship?

Lol, why? It doesn't say that so why can you assume that?

It could be community centres, it could be sports facilities. You don't know, as such you certainly can't assume it to be places of worship.