Controversial Opinion, I know...

[Missed(A)Monday]

Hehehehe, this has turned into a " do you remember back in the day thread" I find it quite interesting reading, but I was trying to debate a point about the music and the scene. I think it's odd that people are trying to recreate it in 2002for example. I mean I am sure there are more than 3 good hip hop trax in the world (all from the same era, ie, dope demand, jailbreak beats and know how!) I mean how many times can you pay these records? The only purpose I see in it is that its just looking too the past all the time and not focussing on what's good now.

I see this "holding on to the past" thing in the same light as the northern soul scene with people who are 40 odd, chewing gum (even though they probably can't be arsed dropping speed as theyre too old) and going to Northern soul weeknders at pontins in Southport for the weekend talking about they dont make music like they used to.

I'm not being rude, but I do see a certain tragedy in that.

[butty]

my opinion on it is i like tunes that make me rush and the hairs on the back of me neck stand on end - to me it doesnt matter what year they was made i like stuff from 90 i like stuff from 95-97 (pianoman n stuff) but my ears aint heard out thats been brought out lately that they have liked as much as the old stuff therefore i prefer to listen to the older stuff. also i started the site coz the tunes from back in the day r prolly the hardest to get yer pincers on - no 1 ever seems to know n e of the names but yet most peeps all know 1 or 2 tunes, and with there being so many others out there that people aint listend to this site is here to show them what was there back in the day. if it makes somebody happy and they enjoy listening to tunes from back in the day i think thats a good thing - i wasnt around clubbing when all the tunes were out i just thank god i found them at sum point so if it helps 1 or 2 people get feelings like i have off the tunes u find on the site then to me thats a job well done.

ive said it before n il say it again til a tune makes me rush as much sweet sensation does (the tune!!) then im stayin in the past

thats my view on it n e ways

[Missed(A)Monday]

I agree with some of your points. If you werent there back in the original scene, I can sort of understand you wanting to recreate the old days by spinning these tunes if you have never heard them before. But I suspect that most people that loved those tunes are now in their late 20's early 30's like my self, and I think trying to recreate that buzz when youre older is a bit sad. Thats one of the points I was making anyway!

I mean when i used to see paul taylor in Burnley (12 years ago) he was an old baldy with a tasche then) He looked silly in his pink kickers, god only knows what he looks like now still spinning Hardcore Uproar and the likes in the new milenium

[sirius]

Heheh. You an ex Burnley bod, bud?. You know, that sticky brown carpet in the entrance of Angels was still there when they pulled it down!!! Now thats both young and old experiencing the same thing!!. Heheheh. Oh, hes still bald and probably still has those skanky trainers somewhere.........


God, you stirred up a hornets nest here buddy.


Personally, I have had my fingers in every pie when it comes to the evolution of dance music and two particular styles have left me begging for more - and thats Epichouse/Progressive and still OldSkool (which was what I was into 'in the day' aswell).

When progresssive house emerged late 94-97 especially, it was like a new baptism of dance music for me. I recommend *everybody* listens to SundayClub's 'Paladian Dawn' and dare them not to be impressed by the sheer soundscape and journey it takes you on (especially if you listen to it uninterupted without distraction in the dark).
Thier other track 'Winds of change(part 1)' is another one.....if you dont like them, fairy nuff, but for me (besides old skool) this is what 'intelligent' dance music is/was all about....music with soul too.
I yearn to be impressed this way in music, and the shite that can get played sometimes these days is the same old tired stuff looped and looped and morphed in and out and it has no soul in it, for me anyway its lifeless and dissapointing.

Anyway, before it turns into war and piece, ill leave it there....


Cheers,

Sirius.

[glazzy]

no 1 ever seems to know n e of the names

about 2 years ago i couldn't tell y' any of the names(i'm still a bit crap now really) and i had to sing a tune to some1 i knew...who told me the name of it, so i logged into napster downloaded the tune played it and nearly cried my eyes out...it was SOUND OF EDEN...then i discovered that there were a ton of tunes on there...the memories it brought back were shockin'...i thought these tunes had disapeared forever!!!

in a way tunes r just like looking at pictures it's all about memories...if u get wot i mean, in a shit typa way

as for recreating the buzz well i'm up for that even if it's never gonna happen the same as it did then...were just doin it again with different people in different clubs.

it's not the only music i listen to...there's not much that will get my destiny's child cd out the car, sad i know but then that's just me

god damn this thread has made me type too much

ive said it before n il say it again til a tune makes me rush as much sweet sensation does (the tune!!) then im stayin in the past

ahhh sweet sensation, can i stay in the past with u butty please???

jayne x

[whatyadoinsucka]

I can't cope with the shit they produce nowadays

I had pete tong on and every track seems to be sampled from old house track
take a new one,played tonight is it copied of livin joy 'i'm a dreamer' or what

I prefer my oldskool, house electro, hiphop, jungle
when it was a new thing


now their are too many germans bangin out shit trance

and speed gargae what a load of wank
what happened to the good old garage that was played at all the clubs mid 90's

and hard house, feck me its speeded up house
not hard how 'de vit' once played it


the only new music I can listen to is Drum and bass/ jungle as its still iMO

pioneering, and the guys are making the music for the love of it, not for the money as in hh,trance,sgarage, and what over shit names there are out their

plus most djs on the circuit can't mix let alone beat mix well

apart from sasha and a few others
pete tong gets worse everytime you here him

big up nipper, sasha, seaman, dj hype, etc..............and travis

Feck off fudge fool, all gone wrong, and the rest
FERGIE what a tosser, surprised his neck is still upright (the size of his chain)

[Missed(A)Monday]

I tend to disagree, I mean, Piano tunes in the early 90's became ridiculous, Here was the scenario:

The Italians would copy off a late 80's chicago piano riff
They would then steal a 70's acca, (probably from acas anon vols)
They would then release another track and sample from the last Itia toon
This would then be robbed by a couple of northern lads who would do the same thing again with a different acca on it perhaps (this is where Mr PianoMan comes in)
This would then be speeded up with a break behind it by a couple of guys from london and called happy hardcore
This would then hit the charts later by pop acts, get to No1 and called something daft like let me be your fantasy

total parody of the whole thing, the question is, with the nature and progression of sampling, where else could it have possibly gone? It was a totally organic progression

The whole thing became so formulatic that it was crazy, it just went up it's own arse, just like trance music did 10 years later.....

[sirius]

Hey, Piano choones are my thang, and even I must agree with you 100%. I love my piano's but it was getting to the verge of ridiculus sometimes.

However, thats how music evolves - folk get tired of the same old shite, no matter what genre it is, so from the best elements of that style another musical style generation appears and when that gets too commercialised it dies and another is born... it goes on and on.

One thing is for sure, those who thought dance music would die a death back in the mid 90's were very wrong. I bet its the longest lasting music genre of the last 60 years. Punk/disco went in and out in the 70's, the Quo etc got stale and that style went late 80's, the farm/jesus jones style went after 91's etc etc.

But dance music lives on, in whatever form. Thank god. Old or new it beats thrash guitars and boy band factory mass produced twaddle.

If its dance music and it aint funky or intelligent with a bit of emotion in it, then its poor. Old skool has the happy/rough emotion to it and epichouse and some drum&bass stuff has the intelligence and new innovations pushing boundries further. But admittedly, these have either gone stale or are getting stale - I just love them anyway and always will and havent noticed yet what the new twist will be....but for me, hardhouse and arpeggio'd/morphed to death trance isnt it. Theres just no feeling there.
Bigbeats/hybrid style breaks has the groovey element that often lacks in newer stuff. What I dance to and what I listen to can be two totally different things sometimes. Hybrid mix of Papua new guinea would get be dancing in a club and Sunday club is what I really enjoy listening to in a different way, if you know what I mean, even though I would dance to it too if I was at some prog house club.......

Just like piano's got done to death on virtually every single record in 91/92 like you say(and I agree), that bloody warbling arpegg trance and morphing is todays equivalent I suppose. But even that is better than chart fodder innit !!!!.

Sirius.

[The Joker]

right I've read all the posts in this thread n I look at it like this a tunes a tune no matter wot era's or style it's from n if 1 person enjoys it then that's up2 em. Every1 is entitled 2 their opinion n that's fair enouff I enjoy listenin 2 mostly the piano stuff meself n am no tune meister cos I usually 4get the name no matter when I'm told, but that's my choice n I believe rightly or wrongly that's wot it's all bout innit!! Every1 is welcome here n not jus cos of the tunes but the atomsphere that is osa soz if I'm bein deep but that's how I feel!!!

[glazzy]

Every1 is welcome here n not jus cos of the tunes but the atomsphere that is osa soz if I'm bein deep but that's how I feel!!!

well said m8...you scare me wen ur serious...i'm agreeing with u incase u me!!!!!

do u like me new smilies i found??? there ded good and there's ;oads more but i'm too tired...lol

jayne x

[sirius]

youre right. Everyone enjoys different aspects of music. My life would be very sad without dance music and especially old skool. If you ask me (which no body ever does but I bore everyone to death n e way) why does it have to be one or the other?. New or Old?. I reckon everyone here listens to both old and new tunes, but whilst they are on an Old Skool board, Old Skool is the favoured topic of conversation obviously. That 'rose tinted' look is what the site is all about in some aspects.
Anyway as Joker sez, a good tunes a good tune, and if you like it then nothing else matters new or old. All those who were there in the day love it 'cos they grew up on it and the atmosphear and new folks whose never heard Old skool before love it cos its a wicked style of music which is hard to fault...... not to mention the locals around here. Good set of folks and no mistake.

Sirius.

[Missed(A)Monday]

withh total respect, not many people here have listened to my original points, please dont give me "everyone knows what they like and likes what they know" type answer, I mean its like trying to have a debate with my grandad about paintings or something having a debate on this subject, please can we try a bit harder too debate about the issues Ive mentioned.


Cheers.....

[grad]

well to quote your first post..

There is loads of great dance music being made now that is diverse and interesting, so why just concentrate on old skool piano tunes?

i'm sure everyone is aware of that but to state the obvious this is 'oldskoolanthemz.co.uk' obviously a speciality site..all we're interested in on here is the oldskool...i've no doubt that there are people on here who listen to other types of music, and no doubt they post their views on other types of boards..e.g trancerus.com...

i'm not quite sure what you are expecting from an oldskool site..

we are not living in the past just remembering it..

[butty]

Originally posted by Missed(A)Monday
withh total respect, not many people here have listened to my original points, please dont give me "everyone knows what they like and likes what they know" type answer, I mean its like trying to have a debate with my grandad about paintings or something having a debate on this subject, please can we try a bit harder too debate about the issues Ive mentioned.


Cheers.....

yeah but this board is about people posting there views on a subject, you posted your view on the subject others have said what they think which is fine, its not a debate as such its different peoples views on what was said in the first place nobody is right or wrong in the matter coz everyone is entitled to an opinion and as long as people aint critisised for having a different opinion or sayin there view on a subject then thats a o k.

[butty]

ps mr monday bud could ya shorten ya sig down for us if possible a bit please mate as i got me sig height ruler out n its over the statuary limit (i try and ask peeps to keep it between 150 pixels 200 pixels high max ya can have em as wide as ya like tho ) just so that the people with 800x600 view dont need to scroll down for ages to the next post

cheers buddy