Did anyone vote this year?!!

[cam]

Originally Posted by misstickle

I'm with you on that one hun The vast majority are all corrupt, and yes I was also one of the dicks who bolloxed up this country by voting labour

I wasn't going to vote at all this year, however, the BNP and UK Independence (who are both extreme right wing parties) are making a big break through at the moment. I basically voted, to vote AGAINST both of these parties, the BNP in particular!!

being honest I havent a fucking clue what your on about, I dont know the meaning of extreme right, and ive hear noses to the left eyes to the right and that but I aint a clue about polotics or whos extreme or that.

I do however know that Labour and the Conservatives dont see eye to eye though

[misstickle]

Originally Posted by cam

being honest I havent a fucking clue what your on about, I dont know the meaning of extreme right, and ive hear noses to the left eyes to the right and that but I aint a clue about polotics or whos extreme or that.

I do however know that Labour and the Conservatives dont see eye to eye though

Labour and conservative! there are no difference these days mate!

[Armando Needlefluff]

Originally Posted by GemGem

i didnt vote, i just looked at the paper and thought "thats going in the bin" best place for it

I hope Emily Pankhurst doesnt come on this board lol im sure her blood would boil the amount of hours she spent chained to a fence for the rights of women.

I voted cause if ya dont you cant moan about the state of the country.
The only problem is all the parties are the same "SHITE".
There are to many dogooders in this fuckin country and thats why its going down the pan.

[ZENZEN]

Originally Posted by piratepete

ITS A BIT HARD TO VOTE WHEN YA DONT GET YA POLLING CARD OR POSTAL VOTE CRAP SENT EVEN THO IM ON ELECTORAL REG makes me think that there is something a bit dodgy about it all

Yeah mate I know what you mean, didnt get nowt either.... and frankly I couldnt give a damn. All you get in return is a shitty House of Commons show on BBC2 ...yawn....yawn.... and taxed to the high heavens on everything and anything!

Voting is a waste of time, money and paper if you ask me!! Next they'll be taxing you for taking a dump!! LOLOL!!!!

[doolz]

ive not had any voting paperwork sent to me
and i am on teh role as far as i know

oh well i would have been to lazy to bother goin to vote

[northern minx]

Originally Posted by misstickle

Labour and conservative! there are no difference these days mate!

lol

aye the only difference is conservative admit they are idiots!

and labour makes idiots out of us

[sirius]

For the first time since I was 18, I never voted.

Im quite upset I didnt, but it was like pinning the tail on the donkey - they are all clueless, especially to things that are of concern to me like manufacturing, transport, immigration and everyday environment issues. Also I didnt like to advocate that the postal vote was working, becuase I dispise it as a concept.

The funny thing is, as a country we are mushroom managed - fed on shit media and kept in the dark - then expected to vote!. Without explanations for a LONG series of pre election day examples of what they have in mind, how can we make a valid judgement on the EFFECT our vote will have in the future? The whole things a farce, a few 5 minute 'election broadcasts' at 10.30 at night for a fortnight is just plain shite, we are supposed to vote off that? Most were one trick ponies to try and cater for a portion of the population, but what do they want to do with wider aspects of the country?. Its more than a joke I feel.

At one point, before the post arrived I was considering of voting for BNP or perhaps the UKIP in my area I have to admit (sorry misstickle), I have been accused of being that way inclined before so I have taken a look at what they have to say in the past on the back of those accusations. However, I dont agree fully with all the things they stand for and couldnt bring myself to do it this time round, but as it happens when the stuff arrived, they werent an option anyway in my local council, just the europe one I think, but I didnt/couldnt vote for them in that either when it came down to it.


I dont think labour did too bad in their first five years, picking up the baton from the disasterous Tories who's raped and pilliaged and changed the nation forever in its long running spell of doom. Its funny how people forget what a shower of c*nts the Tories are so easily and just becuase they are disillusioned a bit start protest votes against Labour. Id never vote Conservative aslong as I live, I cant stand the slime they ommit from thier smug two faced lying asses. Their 'values' and behaviour in the 70's and 80's were disgusting.

I think if labour tightened down a better 'plan' and stuck to it like the early days and didnt continue its rather whimsical media orientated policies (like the media moguls run the country at the minute) and solved a few huge problems on things Im interested in then Id probably vote for them again next time round.

As for the Lib Dems, they were always a party inbetween Labour and the Tories, and it still is I feel, I dont know if you saw newsnight a few days ago where it showed Charles Kennedy campaigning in a muslim area outside a Mosque, but that said it all to me.....he was cow towing to the Islamic portion of society to try and get a vote from the Iraq war spin off....he was on about being anti war, pro Islam, and for democracy for all etc - HOWEVER, he was insignifacntly shouting over another guy in the crowd from the Mosque who was saying to its members "Dont vote, you have a right not to vote, democracy is not good, we dont want democracy" etc and when confronted by another Lib Dem man, the lib dem man was shouted down whilst they all laugh and cheer with kennedy looking mystified at the back of the crowd.


Politics is a farce, even more so than it used to be this time round. Sliming up for votes and delivering nothing, like when Labour said it wasnt going build on greenbelt land (an issue important to me).....well as soon as they suddenly need to house all these foriegners and thier children, and as theyve skyrocketted the prices of houses in the economy making them totally unaffordable they start wanting to build new ones cheaply en-mass to cope with the demand, the greenbelt issue is convieniently side stepped and 'fuzzied' as to whats a natural beauty spot or not and nit-picking to pave way for the houses. No more motorways they said too.......and what happens, a big fat motorway is built - and a toll one at that!

They are all as bad as each other, what you say you want and what you get are always two different things.

Im not giving up on labour just yet, I just wish they would set out a plan, publicise it and stick to it, like they want to kind of renationalise the railways (well narrow it down to three companies or something) - why not say it, nationalise it properly and move on - f*ck what the papers say, and that goes for a majority of their policies in the last five years. Also, Id like to round up the do-gooders who say stuff like "you cant play musical chairs because one child may be traumatised by missing out" and ship them all off to an iceberg somewhere, it really gets on my wick.


Was that boring enough for you?


Sirius.

[piratepete]

Originally Posted by sirius

The funny thing is, as a country we are mushroom managed - fed on shit media and kept in the dark

I dont think labour did too bad in their first five years, picking up the baton from the disasterous Tories who's raped and pilliaged and changed the nation forever in its long running spell of doom. Its funny how people forget what a shower of c*nts the Tories are so easily

Id never vote Conservative aslong as I live, I cant stand the slime they ommit from thier smug two faced lying asses. Their 'values' and behaviour in the 70's and 80's were disgusting.

I think if labour tightened down a better 'plan' and stuck to it like the early days and didnt continue its rather whimsical media orientated policies (like the media moguls run the country at the minute) and solved a few huge problems on things Im interested in then Id probably vote for them again next time round.

he was insignifacntly shouting over another guy in the crowd from the Mosque who was saying to its members "Dont vote, you have a right not to vote, democracy is not good, we dont want democracy" etc and when confronted by another Lib Dem man, the lib dem man was shouted down whilst they all laugh and cheer with kennedy looking mystified at the back of the crowd.


Politics is a farce, even more so than it used to be this time round. Sliming up for votes and delivering nothing, like when Labour said it wasnt going build on greenbelt land (an issue important to me).....well as soon as they suddenly need to house all these foriegners and thier children, and as theyve skyrocketted the prices of houses in the economy making them totally unaffordable they start wanting to build new ones cheaply en-mass to cope with the demand, the greenbelt issue is convieniently side stepped and 'fuzzied' as to whats a natural beauty spot or not and nit-picking to pave way for the houses. No more motorways they said too.......and what happens, a big fat motorway is built - and a toll one at that!

They are all as bad as each other, what you say you want and what you get are always two different things.

Im not giving up on labour just yet, I just wish they would set out a plan, publicise it and stick to it, .Sirius.

with you on that mate i agree with what ya sayin i feel let down b7y labour but i remember what maggie did i remember goin down the docks with me dad cos he worked there an bein on strike.maggie the bitch killed so many industrys an resources we had. the tories in there evil reign fecked our country left it in a right state labour need to get there crap together an sort the country out an stop pussy footin about

me teacher in school said id make a good polition pmsl .only problems would be me party would get a lot of crap for me policys ,an i got many skeletons in me closet lol ready to pounce,lol
i recon the govt should change a lot of its ideas an address the real issues an
scrappin road tax would be a good start its costing more money to enfore non payers than what it is making .
make carrying insurance docs in window like a tax disc (eire do it) id rather know if a person has insurance more than a valid tax disc
bring back the old method of dealing with drug abuse if you were on drugs in the 50s you would go to the hospital to get yur fix of herion would stop a lot of theaving the medical cost would probbably cheaper an tie up less police time havin to deal withless burgularys,shoplifting, less drug dealers sellin herion cos the govt would pay for it makin it not worth there while,where could they get the money from, well sell pot like make it legal the price would drop ta feck, the govt could make sure that its of a high standard get like a kite mark pmsl put a tax on it pays for the smack heads herion fix from the hospital sorted ,why not get some tax from a big ammount of pple that at the moment pay it to drug dealers who could be terrorists or anything .i could rant for hours but i gotta get some munch pmsl

[sirius]

Some of the schemes and laws thats been passed (sometimes by stealth) are a farce, and often a severe infringement on liberties of a so called 'free country', mostly they are 'patches' to shut up whatever media story is in the rounds at the time. The big brother society thats being built a foundation at the minute is also against all my principles.

The thing with car tax/insurance where all those who pay thier dues are gonna have to pay more becuase theres too many now that dont bother....so we have to cover the cost....what sort of plans that?lol. Its mental. Ive seen it time and time again, across a whole range of society, those who dont have proper lessons, dont have a license, dont insure thier cars, dont MOT it or do fuck all and hardly get penalised for it - it seems cheaper to sack it all off and get caught sometimes, well it seems that way.
From a cynical point of view if you do good, try and live the rules, toe the line, save, have pension schemes, pay in, contribute, you get hammered. If you have nothing, you can probably end up better off long term as daft as it sounds! lol. Such as the liberals wanting to 'enrich and interest' the young yobs of society by giving them special free courses and good prospects and special oppertunities/placements at a job - all from acting badly and breaking the law. What does that say for the hard workers and law abiding kids who dont get that break? I dont know what the answer is to stuff like this, but often it sounds just absurd.

Anyway, Im going on too much here about a croc of shite, so Ill shut mi cakehole now! lol.

[misstickle]

Originally Posted by sirius

The thing with car tax/insurance where all those who pay thier dues are gonna have to pay more becuase theres too many now that dont bother....so we have to cover the cost....what sort of plans that?lol. Its mental. Ive seen it time and time again, across a whole range of society, those who dont have proper lessons, dont have a license, dont insure thier cars, dont MOT it or do fuck all and hardly get penalised for it - it seems cheaper to sack it all off and get caught sometimes, well it seems that way.
From a cynical point of view if you do good, try and live the rules, toe the line, save, have pension schemes, pay in, contribute, you get hammered. If you have nothing, you can probably end up better off long term as daft as it sounds! lol. Such as the liberals wanting to 'enrich and interest' the young yobs of society by giving them special free courses and good prospects and special oppertunities/placements at a job - all from acting badly and breaking the law. What does that say for the hard workers and law abiding kids who dont get that break? I dont know what the answer is to stuff like this, but often it sounds just absurd.

Anyway, Im going on too much here about a croc of shite, so Ill shut mi cakehole now! lol.

Firstly, I think that it's great that you are so opinionated and you are passionate about your politics, but Sirius, the BNP, are you serious?

The BNP are a bunch of Nazis!! If they had it their way anyone none british would be hung or made into slaves.

I know what you're saying about the government showing too much support to criminals, unemployed and ignoring the decent working people of society. But to be honest all this new deal stuff is probably one of the only positive policies to come out of the Labour government.

I myself have been on new deal since I became a loan parent. It has given me the chance to get a decent education and purse the career of my choice. I'm even getting help to set up my own business! Ok so I'm not a criminal (well I've never been charged with anything!) But I think it's an amazing thing to give people a second chance and new start in life.

The majority of people I know who have been locked up or now lead a life of crime have failed at school, come from broken or destructive families or grown up in less fortunate areas where crime is the norm or seen as the only way to survive. It's so hard to the leave that life, as your choice of careers becomes limited when you have a record. There are many intellegent and talented people who have made mistakes in their life but now want to progress to more aspiring things. Good on them, why shouldn't they?

Under previous governments, this would have been an almost impossibiliy. Under other governments I would still be harrasing you ever night, coz the only way I would have been able to earn is to carry on in telesales

I'm not bigging up the "New Labour" government or anything, because I think they are a shambles and I think they are just as right wing as the tories. I just want to make the point that helping out people less fortunate is as beneficial thing as it may prevent criminals etc from re-offending and leding a better life!!

I agree with one thing though, the tories are slimey!!!
Thatcher was a nob, but then anyone who craves for that amount of power must be seriously fucked in the head!!

[walshy]

I forgot to vote But would have voted for the independant party for the following reasons-
1-To keep the BNP out
2-Labour and Conservative parties have lost the plot.
I could go on for hours being a Sociology student but don't want to bore you all or offend anyone
What a shame Lord Such has passed on or I would have give the Raving Looney Party my vote


sorry to digress but onto to the other important vote, Cam fella you seem to have it in the bag there matey.
Me and Miss Tickle will be your Spin Doctors with a Zuess stylie spin on everything

[sirius]

ah sack it. (Ive edited it myself) Im being stupid.

Sirius.

[northern minx]

umm i have been reading the last few posts with interest..

wot i will say tho is
BNP - bag of shite
thatcher- ooooh mini hitler
Lord Such - spoke alot of sense

and sirius..
these delinquents as u call them, also known in society as loosers, no-hopers, thicko's, remedials etc..
have you ever spent and time with people whom are labelled as such? have u invested any effort with them?
i always find it sad to hear people judge young people so quickly when in my experience it is kids such as this that have taught me alot.. most were a pleasure to work with, and yes most unfortunately were very misunderstood.

the thing is we are all a product of our conditioning, our environments, each of us with an upbringing (functional or dysfuntional) that equips us for adult life, and some are better equipped than others, some leave home with more skills for life than others..
the biggest thing we can ever cultivate in a young person is self worth.. and to be honest all the young people i ever worked with had no or very little self worth.. that in my opinion says alot.. if people dont belive in themselves or have no hope then how can they ammount to anything positive or offer anything positive to another or to society as a whole?

and lastly
im also a single parent, and if id chosen to, i cud have lived off the state on a hundred quid or so a week, but i chose to go to uni and get a degree.. which meant no state assistance. but it also meant huge debt. so now ive just paid £16000 to get an education. im not sure that is encouraging society to change thier lives and improve living, ultimately to improve the conditioning environment for the new generation is it?

so yes, the powers that run our country have alot to answer for and alot to listen to, but sadly all they hear is the sound of their own inflated ego's and inner conflict..

sorry ive wittered on too long!

[walshy]

Missy Minx. I take my hat of to you,I know loads of people who decide to just live off the benefits etc. Fair play to you for going to uni to better yaself Just goes to show that the labels attached by the media aint true. I've decided to go to uni after 10 years of being a wage slave Not worried about the debt I'll get in, as I'll better myself as a person and get a better life, money's no good if you aren't happy is it.

[sirius]

Yeah, I hear what youre saying, some good points there MsMinx .

Im talking more about the walking crimewaves really, ones whose beaten grannies to within an inch of thier lives and been done for like 200 or 300 burglaries, not probably 80% of the 'normal' youngsters whose lost thier way. I think you have to draw the line at some point with these types who just arent interested in life, throwing more money and 'schemes' at them isnt necessarily a solution to the underlying problems. Each case is different isnt it.

Some of them have had awful upringings, parents dying, drug addict parents, being born addicted to heroin, physical and sexual abuse, its terrible. I know Im fortunate. I suppose Ive lost my heart to those middle class or estate yobbo's who take fun and pleasure in what they do, uncontrollable and quite frankly evil loving gangs who are not from broken homes. For example the gang of kids earlier in the year that broke into that zoo and kicked a load of seals and other animals or something to death - how can you argue a case for that? They are sick in the head Im afraid, robbing to survive or feed a habit or whatever I can understand, kicking animals (a lot of animals) to death in such a brutal manner makes me wanna wash my hands of them, I cant get my head round it, just evil mentality. enoughs enough for them.

Im a bad product of society myself in some ways, I lack life/world skills that some 10-12 year olds have these days from rough backgrounds due to my abscence from partaking in even a slightly mispent youth. They can look after themselves in life in a lot of cases, which is more than I can do sometimes lol....

Im really proud of your efforts, especially when its (allegedly) made so easy to sit back and do nothing - and then you get penalised for it financially if you do something!!! - thats the point Im trying to make in some ways - theres no incentive to do what you did if you didnt have ambition and will within yourself. My cousin is a single mum, but by the time she had worked it out, costs of travelling to work, etc etc, she was only £8 a week better off than on benefits - not many would go to work for only £8 - £20 more a week..I think its often made slightly too easy to claim benifits, Im not saying they live a life of luxury by any means though.

Sirius.