Ok - Why are we REALLY here ?!

[sweet sensation]

After the 'da vinci code' thread, I thought Id start a new one soley on the "why we're here" debate

I dont know whether its something to do with being 30 and getting older, but thats all Im thinking about at the moment

I know most of us will have had these sorta discussions with a little help from a square bit of paper but that was when we were young whipper snappers who thought turning 30 was so far in the future

Im not saying that you have to be 30 to think about why we're here, but for me personally its just highlighted the fact Im not getting any younger and would like to understand the reasoning behind our existance...

Its a right head recker and I guess we probably will never know the answer, but Id like to know what philosophys and justifications you lot have come up with to the BIG question !!

Sometimes I think we are here cos of an alien experiement, and they are just watching us develop (and destroy ) the world. Which is why people claim to have seen UFO's and the like cos theyre coming down to check up on us !! Lol ! I know its quite a mad theory But then I do believe in the Theory Of Evolution, cos that seems to make the most sense...but then I also would like to believe that there is somewhere for us to go to when we die (Im not talking heaven) and that our souls go on living. This is because I have seen and felt ghosts And I also like to believe that we have been here before and each of us have a past life or lives !

See I told you I was confused and maybe slightly mad

So come on peeps, help me out and give me your opinions on....

WHY WE ARE HERE ?

[Tigger]

It seems to be human nature to develop better and better ways of killing each other - all technological progress since the dawn of time has centered around this trait of ours.

I think that this trait has been written into our DNA, it is also worth noting that human DNA is far more advanced than the DNA of every other living organism on the planet and is unlikely to have been produced as a course of natural evolution.

So what are we - we are a biological program, a self-replicating bio-organic system created by another race to develop weapons of destruction.

[Shooms]

I love the idea expounded by Hitchhikers Guide which is that the Earth & humans are an organic computer built to answer the eternal question - what is the meaning of life (42)... unfortunately the earth was gatecrashed by a spaceship of useless middlemen from another world just as the puter 'program' started - hence why the world looks so fecked up..

I personally feel that we are here to experience & grow spiritually & to find balance ... the Earth is just one of the many dimensions/worlds for our soul to experience.... before we are ready & evolved enough to go back to the source (God/Supreme Being etc)... some people are incarnated here to grow & learn lessons - others are here to help other people learn these lessons.... so sometimes to get balanced you have to experience shit painful things as well as the fluffy enjoyable things... to learn...

I saw a great prog t'other day about the origins of the universe & it seems that there is a definate 'symphony' or resonance to the universe structure - I like this coz I do think music is one of the keys... its summat that by passes yr brain & connects with yr soul innit - the emotions you feel thru music cant easily be explained but you know how powerful they are

As Bill Hicks says

"Theres news in that some guy on acid in Oklahomo has discovered the meaning of life - All life is merely energy condensed to a slow vibrating pulse, we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death & life is but a dream..... Here's Tom with the weather !"

Also

"The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we kill those people."

Bill Hicks was a frikkin genius & I believe one of the highly evolved souls who chose to come & show us the way

Phew - that wasted 20 mins at work

[sweet sensation]

Originally posted by Tigger
I think that this trait has been written into our DNA, it is also worth noting that human DNA is far more advanced than the DNA of every other living organism on the planet and is unlikely to have been produced as a course of natural evolution.

So what are we - we are a biological program, a self-replicating bio-organic system created by another race to develop weapons of destruction.

Why do you think that we couldnt have advanced form natural evolution ? Ok the human body is a lot more technical and our brain does set us apart from other species...but how do we know that ? Ok people have done research on animal behaviour and that, but how do they really know that animals dont react to things like we do ? Maybe they just have a different way of dealing with things ?

Your last comment is very "matrixesque" and I suppose that film does make you think that we could be living that way. I hope not.....

Its also a question of fate....do you believe you are in charge of your own destiny or that it is already set out for you ? This is a very tricky one cos I do believe things happen for areason, but Id hate to think that there is a marker on me for when and how Im going to die

[Tigger]

OK - if we evolved from monkeys - how come there are still monkeys?

Why haven't they evolved????

[sweet sensation]

Originally posted by Shoomster

I personally feel that we are here to experience & grow spiritually & to find balance ... the Earth is just one of the many dimensions/worlds for our soul to experience.... before we are ready & evolved enough to go back to the source (God/Supreme Being etc)... some people are incarnated here to grow & learn lessons - others are here to help other people learn these lessons.... so sometimes to get balanced you have to experience shit painful things as well as the fluffy enjoyable things... to learn...

See I used to think this, but having a conversation with grad and a mate of mine the other day, one of the sorta conclusions grad came to was that years and years ago everyone was a lot more spiritual ie tibetian monks and the like, and its only recently that we have discovered more spiritual things and that they are becoming more accepting to general life. But for many years these things were brushed under the carpet and people who talked about these things were classed as weirdos

It seems like we do full circles on things, people are becoming more open minded and a lot more accepting, but years ago it was probably an every day thing to use your third eye..


and I get what you mean about the balance thing, but how come some people are born with a silver spoon stuck in their gob and never seem to go through shit things while others are born paralysed or have a horrific accident or are homeless. If we are here to get balance shouldnt it be one rule for one, one rule for all ???

[Shooms]

Originally posted by sweet sensation
See I used to think this, but having a conversation with grad and a mate of mine the other day, one of the sorta conclusions grad came to was that years and years ago everyone was a lot more spiritual ie tibetian monks and the like, and its only recently that we have discovered more spiritual things and that they are becoming more accepting to general life. But for many years these things were brushed under the carpet and people who talked about these things were classed as weirdos

It seems like we do full circles on things, people are becoming more open minded and a lot more accepting, but years ago it was probably an every day thing to use your third eye..

I deffo agree here babes - we have got a lot more material & hence we are not learning & we do seem to be going round in circles... deja vu, reincarnation, feeling of knowing someone intimately even though you just met them etc - this is because we have... & we are back again to learn lessons we prolly didnt learn last time.... like Bill says - we forget its a ride & it becomes our be all & end all & we forget its only one dimension to our soul...

and I get what you mean about the balance thing, but how come some people are born with a silver spoon stuck in their gob and never seem to go through shit things while others are born paralysed or have a horrific accident or are homeless. If we are to get balance shouldnt it be one rule for one, one rule for all ???

Balance doesnt come all in one lifetime I guess.... may take many many times if we dont learn the lessons.... if someone is at one extreme of the spectrum in one lifetime & didnt use it well for experience (ie. being rich as feck but spunked it all on themselves & used their power to hurt others) it may take an opposite extreme to sort out that balance... lol - its a theory anyways...

[sweet sensation]

Originally posted by Tigger
OK - if we evolved from monkeys - how come there are still monkeys?

Why haven't they evolved????

Lol thats a good question ! And I for one am not qualified to answer it

I read Desmond Morris' book The Naked Ape years ago, so I cant remember what he said about this which Im certain he must have covered when he wrote it, as most people would have the same question as you tigger.

So are you saying tho that you cant see the logic in the theory of evolution ?

[Mig]

Wrote a big spiel on how we came to be here but then saw the question was "why are we here". I have got no idea is the simple answer.

What is the human race doing to the universe except damage?

If we were put here for a reason then I would love to know it also. Every living creature on Earth has one basic instinct which is to stay alive, hence everyone/everything plods through life doing the best they can to achieve this, incorporating as much happiness (brain energy) into their life as they can. I'm having difficulty trying to make my point which is still - I have no idea.

[sweet sensation]

Originally posted by Shoomster
I deffo agree here babes - we have got a lot more material & hence we are not learning & we do seem to be going round in circles... deja vu, reincarnation, feeling of knowing someone intimately even though you just met them etc - this is because we have... & we are back again to learn lessons we prolly didnt learn last time.... like Bill says - we forget its a ride & it becomes our be all & end all & we forget its only one dimension to our soul...

One of the reasons we are not more in touch with our spiritual side is because there are so many distractions out there these days, like tvs, computer games. Its like those posts about remember when you were young. Imagine being around hundreds and hundreds of years ago when there was nothing like that at all, people had to talk to each other and discuss things and were probably a lot more in touch with their sixth sense.

Balance doesnt come all in one lifetime I guess.... may take many many times if we dont learn the lessons.... if someone is at one extreme of the spectrum in one lifetime & didnt use it well for experience (ie. being rich as feck but spunked it all on themselves & used their power to hurt others) it may take an opposite extreme to sort out that balance... lol - its a theory anyways...

Hmmm that sounds a bit like what Glen Hoddle said, not saying you mean it that way, but it is a bit like the way you act in this life will determine how you are in the next life.....its all a bit suss that really, cos another thing grad said was that if there is an afterlife and you do go on again, it must be a new experience cos in this life you dont remember about your other lifes, unless your hypnotised ??? Id love to have that done to me, cos I believe Ive been here before

[grad]

Originally posted by Shoomster
I& we are back again to learn lessons we prolly didnt learn last time.... like Bill says - we forget its a ride & it becomes our be all & end all & we forget its only one dimension to our soul...

i don't get this, sweet said something similar the other day, that this may just be one of the many stages of life etc or as you say if we've been here before.

if we have been here before, or been reincarnated in someway, or been to another dimension before getting here then what's the point if you can't remember it?

i don't remember any mistakes i made in my previous life so what's the point in coming back.


also been misquoted a bit earlier...the chat was along the lines that we're here to get in touch with our souls etc...my comment was that people were thousands of years ago and now we've moved so far away from it that we've no chance of getting back to that level.

[Shooms]

Originally posted by sweet sensation
Hmmm that sounds a bit like what Glen Hoddle said, not saying you mean it that way, but it is a bit like the way you act in this life will determine how you are in the next life.....its all a bit suss that really, cos another thing grad said was that if there is an afterlife and you do go on again, it must be a new experience cos in this life you dont remember about your other lifes, unless your hypnotised ??? Id love to have that done to me, cos I believe Ive been here before

What I meant by this, & sorta ties into Grads post, is that when we 'die' here we get clarity & understanding & objectiveness of what we did with our lives, I've read about peeps who had near death experiences & they say they felt the emotions experienced by other people by the consequences of their actions in that 'life passes before their eyes' type of thing... so its not like we're born on Earth & know "OK - I need to do x,y,z in order to evolve" but I do believe we choose what type of life/environment etc we get born to in order to accomplish/experience our next lot of lessons/growth... hence being born disabled is not a 'punishment' for a bad previous life but a concious choice by the soul to experience what it needs to experience for growth... when we are reincarnated here we have no knowledge of this choice expect perhaps intuititive feelings in certain situations....

Or perhaps I've had FAR too much mushies & cid when I was younger

Anyways - I've just realised all this typing & philosophising has made me miss bidding on a cheap copy of Dee Patten on Ebay - damn & blast

[sweet sensation]

That makes sense shooms and I sorta agree with it, but who would choose consiously or unconsiously to come back disabled ?

Life is tough enough as it is, without someone "choosing" to make it more difficult the next time round

Anyways - I've just realised all this typing & philosophising has made me miss bidding on a cheap copy of Dee Patten on Ebay - damn & blast

Lol, maybe thats fate you'll find it again much cheaper :p

[Saysay]

Originally posted by Tigger
OK - if we evolved from monkeys - how come there are still monkeys?

Why haven't they evolved????

Funny you say that Andy, coz i was watching 'Walking with Beasts' the other day and said the exact same thing!! Why, if we are meant to have evolved from Apes are there still apes today in our lifes????? That cant be right, surley they would have evolved with us!!??

There are many theroys on how we came to be here and why! Goodness knows which one (if any) are true! I dont believe in God, so the '7 day' theory to me is just a story! If there was a god then i believe there wouldnt be all this suffering in 3rd world countries etc, why would god want to see children suffer?????

If we have been 'made' for a reason, then what reason is that?Are there far more intellictual life forms out there which have made US? What purpose do we serve?

God im confused now! lol

[marchwiel]

Puts work hat on:

Originally posted by Tigger
OK - if we evolved from monkeys - how come there are still monkeys?

Why haven't they evolved????

It's funny because this was one of the original arguements against Darwin's theory.

The answer is that the apes, monkeys, etc. have evolved, it's just that they did not evolve into humans. At the point of any split in the species line it is not obvious which mutation will be the most succesful. Also a large number of these mutations results in species that do not survive. However, those that are around today are the results of succesful gentic advantages proferred by random mutation. Humans are just the result of a number of (lucky) mutations in gentic code. Most of our genetic code is infact very similar to that of the fruit fly!

Desperately trying to think of a funny quote to make this more interesting but failing. Sorry